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not the same old response to the president. tonight at the end. see you then. hello, i'm eric, along with kimberly, bob, dana and greg. this is "the five." last night president obama took immigration matters into his own hands, granting 5 million illegals a form of nondeportation amnesty and moments ago aboard air force one the president signed that order. he addressed a las vegas crowd minutes later. >> i know some critics call this action amnesty. it's not amnesty. amnesty really is the system we have got today, you have got millions of people who are living here, but they're not
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obliged to pay their taxes or play by the rules and politicians use the situation to scare people. that's the real amnesty, just talking, leaving the broken system the way it is. >> conservatives aren't happy with the president young laterally changing american law. possibly more than he expected. >> this is 5 million people being given amnesty that congress rejected that the american people have rejected that will pull down the wages of working americans, will make jobs harder for them to find, will create a testimony in the future that will invite more people to come unlawfully. >> trust. interesting concept. trust. can president obama earn the trust of the now republican senate and the house. speaker john boehner says that all may be lost, watch.
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>> with this action, the president has chose to deliberately sabotage any act of by partisan reforms that he seeks. and as i told him yesterday, he's damaging the he created an environment where the members would not trust him. so working together is virtually impossible. >> do we want them working together, will that help and will the republicans ever trust president obama again? >> we don't -- we need them to do something in washington. i mean first of all, national security being the most important thing. and this being possibly in some ways a national security issue. yes, they're going to have to work together in some way. i would not like to be white house office of legislative affairs. just two weeks ago, the day after the midterm election when president obama lost so many seats. he said the lesson i have
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learned is that people want us to work together more in washington. and then ten days later he pulls this move. and we find out in a political article that he's been planning to do this for nine months. so it was in the works behind the scenes. so some republicans are in a little bit of a bind. you said that the president might be getting more push back than expected. what they really wanted is a whole lot of republicans coming out and screaming impeachment. we'll see if that changes over time. but i think right now it's sort of a measured response, trying to figure out, is it legal, what he did? i think that the court could weigh in, but that could be a long time from now. in the meantime, across the board, scholars that look at the constitution stay that this is crossing a rubicund, meaning you have crossed a line that you can never go back to. can they rebuild trust? i think it will be very
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difficult. >> greg, during that speech in las vegas, someone -- a heckler was yelling out and president obama's response was, hey, it's the first step, but not the only step. we have a lot more coming. >> i don't know, i do have a question for captain compassionate. what's the difference between families that are crossing our borders and families dying in syria? it's a bigotry of distance. what is the difference? why are these families more important than the others? it's because they're a voting bloc. we're not supposed to get involved in places like syria where people are dying, but we have to do everything we can as a compassionate nation to deal with people who are crossing borders illegally because they're close. but i want to address something i don't understand about this act. so the act is going to get the good illegal immigrants out of the shadows and it's going to get the bad deported. but if the criminals aren't part of the process, then they will not come out of the shadows.
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so he never really separates the good from the bad, he picks the good and the bad stay in the shadows. if you are a bad illegal, this has no affect on you. you stay, you hide, you do whatever you want. all this really did was just granted amnesty to people other than the people we wanted to. >> so the numbers are even larger than he's saying because you're taking the good in with the bad. >> 36,000 criminal illegals that were released to the streets of america, literally hundreds if not thousands of those people had violent crimes like murder, rape, aggravated assault. they released them on to the streets of america. and now you release even more? >> they have no incentive to report or turn themselves in or try to start the process because they have a criminal record, they are recidivists, they are more likely to offend, whether
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they have submittcommitted assa crimes, murders and rapes. in fact the damage that he's done to public confidence because he didn't listen. he had this planned eight or nine months ago, no matter what the outcome he was going to get it done because he cares more about his friends and advancing his political ideology. >> 5 million people are not bad. >> in one sentence, you said ere criminals and now you said there's 5 million more. take that back, that's absolutely wrong. >> i didn't say there were 5 million more. >> listen to it. >> i said they let 36,000 criminal illegals go last year and now there are what million more that are on the books in the system now. and if they couldn't do it in
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2013, they're going to able to do it in 2014, or 2015. >> you have to clarify, what you said sounded exactly what bob heard, it did. so you just have to clarify. >> i said 36,000 criminal illegals were release in the 2013. that's documented. i said there will be 5 million more on the books that they can track, and you're going to tell me there's going to be no more crime in the 5 million more. >> you said there were going to be 5 million more criminals. >> when you at more people to the roles, to the work roles, you add more available labor, what happens to wages. >> i think we are going to take a hit in wages. >> wages go downing. let's talk about the middle class, when wages go downing at the bomb, don't wages go down in the middle --
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>> can i just give you a couple of facts, if you want to talk about facts here. peter heart who was the pollster with "the wall street journal," that showed it gave the president access to the people that they called -- they favored him bypassing congress 51-41. do you know who didn't, were the tea party republicans, even republicans support the president on this proposal. only by two points, but the tea party people a -- >> the -- he himself was saying he didn't have the power to do this not to long ago. >> with respect to the notion that i can just suspend deportations through executive order, that's just not the case, because there are laws on the books, that congress has passed. >> well, that's a smoking gun and democrats know it. here's former obama press
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secretary jay carney incapable of produviding cover for the president. >> i think if he could have those words back, specifically the part where he talked about suspending deportlaationdeportas literally what he's doing today. >> what he said in 2011 was exactly wrong. i mean, what he did here today was do what he said he couldn't do. and i agree with that. and i agree with carney, he suddenly -- but the fact still remains that legally he's on firm ground. >> where, i'll say it again. there's nowhere in the kojs where it allows him to yuan -- >> let's take a look and see what the courts do. they have had 11 presidents in a row that have made these decisions. he can make the decision to emphasize who he's going to deport and who he's not going to depart. >> how does anybody know how long someone's been here? you know, they're giving a time
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frame and it's like if you're here illegally, then you can say whenever you are hirere, how ca they stay they didn't just get here last month. >> they have to bring forward things to prove that they have been here five years or more. and if you have children, how could anybody with a conscience send their parents home. >> i have heard you talking about denying visas to chinese students come ing over here. time i'm trying to find out where the compassion begins and ends. >> where he says it does. >> i said i wanted muslims who had student visas, there were
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15,000 that did not show up. i never said that you should not allow educational visas who chinese who come heres. we're educating them and they're going back. >> i didn't mean to mischaracterize what you said. you want to move on to 2016 in immigration is shaping up to be a big issue for the 2016 election. hillary clinton weighed it into is event. thanks to potus for taking action on immigration in the face of inaction, now let's turn to permanent bipartisan reform immigration action. got you madam secretary, you're on board with the obama amnesty. >> she's on board with those who will be seeking the democratic nomination, this makes sense for her, and it's part of the ele electi election.
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>> well, i do think that the fact that she even did such a lengthy statement shows that she actually is running and she should be treated like a candidate and have to answer to whether or not she thinks this is the right process. she said like president obama did that he did not have the right to do this. for those who care about the process, how we actually used to do such action in the past, that will be important to them. it will be an issue, but i don't think it's necessarily going to be on process. it has to be on substance. and that's the problem i have with the debate so far. the process point is an easier one to make. the substantive point of how would you fix it is a -- but that's where the rub really is. >> and the opportunity. >> bush of the things that should be clear here is that nobody but nobody who's granted this will be allowed to vote in the 2016 election.
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so that is a mute issue. >> and hopefully tot the 2020 or beyond. >> i'm not suggesting that this is not -- if these people were all voting republican as a general rule, would they be so easy to let them in? probably not. but i do think that you have to be careful when you say that the only way you do this -- the only way to handle this is the republicans now with the votes they have in the house and senate, ought to be able to pass an immigration reform bill and obama ought to be able to sign it. >> goldberg made an interesting observation last night. he said if this action isn't out of the ordinary, why are the fans acting as if it's a heroic miracle. the other thing too is about the semantics, america has a hard time trusting the president when the language keeps changing -- consider the immigrations. we are screwing with the language so that the logic
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allows for a redefinition of abuses, so that almost anything can mean anything, rioting. >> such as the affordable care act, really being about bringing about the issue of health care. >> this is the point. eric? >> can you change the -- the penalties for murder in america, if you don't agree with them? what aes the difference. >> you're making a great point, because it is, it's establishing a precedent here, once you take this step, and it will go up to the courts and we'll make the determination, this is again forever going to be a precedent and maybe it's a guy in office that you don't like that can do this exact thing. the point is we have to honor the constitution and the laws and the legal process and find a way to do this correctly, not just one man. >> one quick thought? >> unlike these other catories, there are anywhere from 11.5 million to 15 million illegals
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in this country and you can't send them all home. >> do you believe it's feasible to deport 12 million people who are here illegally? >> but there are other answers. >> what are they? >> there are other answers. >> achbtds thnd that's the prob >> what about following the law that's there, file the applications, forward the paper work and it might take you longer, but there are laws that are in place, and first of all it's so much of an attractive nuisan nuisance, we have people coming in not just from mexico but from honduras as well. and it's wide open. >> because it's illegal to file an application if you're here illegally to begin with. >> make a modification within the existing laws. >> what can republicans do to st
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♪ >> republicans say they're ready to do whatever it takes to stop president obama from implementing his executive action on immigration and they could be falling right into his trap, according to president bush's former speechwriter. >> he's not trying to help
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illegal immigrants, he's trying to provoke a fight with the republican party. he wants hem to shut down the government, he wants somebody to go out there and offer articles of impeachment because he wants to rally his base and he wants to make the gop blow itself up. >> and he might have help that republicans might lose their cool today, but this is the response he has gotten so far. >> today the people's house will rise to this challenge, we will not stand idol as the president undermines the rule of law and places the cows at risk. >> huge pressure after -- a lot of pressure under new members to do something. what could they do? what do you think is possible? >> well, first thing they should
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not do is try to impeach him. that's what frankly i would like if they tried to do that. achktd the next thing they should not do, is shut down the government. i think the answer to this is some way to vote as you were pointing out in the break, a center vote, and say you don't like it, and the second thing i would like to go is immediately go to work at crafting an immigration bill and face the reality of all these millions of people here, and give them a route, pay penalties and taxes and weed out anybody who's broken the law, and on top of that border security. if they did that, i think it would be very difficult for both democrats in the house and senate or the president to veto the bill. >> that opens up the possibility of the idea that you had for dealing with this issue, now
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that the republican have kind of a blank slate, maybe you can just reiterate that. >> i don't think that anybody would legitimately talk about impeachment. right now again, we allow 1 million illegal immigrants into the country, triple that, make it three million. let those people get in line, let them process through, that's a legal way to get people on the books and it doesn't put them anyone at a disadvantage to anyone else. that's the way you do it, that's the smart way to do it. >> how do you deal with the question of not being able to do that application process if you're here illegally to begin with? i'm just asking you a question, the law you could suspend that, i suppose. >> a modification to that and then it becomes the process and it's fair then. >> no one's being physically deported right now anyway. >> i'm trying to figure out what a legislative remedy would be and how you get by that one
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problem. i don't think you can have a suspension for the people that are here now. >> you can do that in the way that you're supposed to, which is respecting the system of checks and balances and putting something forward in the legislature that they can craft and agree 307b, versus the unilaterally action by the president, which is ill advised and not completely thought out which is just having the effect of creating more stubborn positions on both sides, total bipartisan gridlock which isn't helping anybody, and this is a tremendous advantage for the republicans and boehner hit the right tone. >> let me get greg in here, bob, i want to ask you two questions about, it's a two part question. one question, two parts. >> the fairness question. which is what about the people who did it legally, we both are married to people who had to do that after we got married. >> it's the same person, obviously. >> interesting how that worked out. but also people we're -- the standing interpreters who helped
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us during the war, their lives were at risk, but now they're backed up, those people in iraq and afghanistan who would like to come and live in america and deserve to be. >> that's why it's important to have a new bill, because you've got to say, the people who play by the rules get first dibs. it's a great way, it rewards the people who did the right thing, the legal immigrants and it would be good to get as part of this program, an american understanding, a mandatory free class that is a combination and appreciation of our history, the language, the ethics, the opportunity, the gat tud for people in this country which i believe is missing because we have turned patriotism into an act of mockery. t the gop should act and not react. they should be thin 2016, but here is the big challenge. the people who are coming here are coming from places that are
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worst than the united states. so being a democrat or a republican, you can't talk about wage controls or how bad they are, our private advertising health care, they're happy to be here, so that's going to be the challenge for republicans, create a program that appreciate what is make this is country great. >> i was saying among the latino voters, 49% cite their number one concern is the economy, versus 16% being immigration. that is an opportunity for the gop. >> the groups are already unhappy. as with the affordable care act, obama care, where, bob, people like you said, he didn't go far enough, they wanted single payer, already those groups are not satisfied with what president obama -- >> one other thing about the politics of this is that the president has to do something. for a long debate on this, the republicans are hurt even more by the hispanics if they take a tone -- i think boehner set the right tone. but there are others who have
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not set the right tone. >> have you heard any republicans say we're not going to do thinking? >> chris shelby was the guy who switched parties. ahead the ferguson shootings inspired one popular
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you know what the world needs now? a protest song, from nickelback. hazardsed world events final lay with their new song, edge of a revolution. ♪ ♪ red hot protest line
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♪ freedom scrawled on your line ♪ the secret's safe with the nsa ♪ standing on the edge of a revolution ♪ >> jack krueger explains the song and says you turn on cnn and it's like wow, we have it on for ten minutes and it's so depressing. what a song it is, he calls wall street a common theme, this from a guy who makes zillions off nonwork stuff like licensing, merchandising and product placement. he tries the rich for a brand-new yacht, forgetting he as a vacation home in cabo. kruger's not a 1%er, he's
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a.0001%er. but he's -- spinneding their arrives ignoring them. the song is just a shallow self involved for rl vachbs. five of it came from a team, but not from a superrich grown man. even better, this song is about greed and delusion and it happens to be the official theme for a big world wrestling event this november, eat that bob dillon. i don't want to hate on nickelback. but they have performed for the troops at the wwe tribute, and anybody who performs for the troops is okay, even though i do hate their music. i want to go around the table -- >> they used to be better than that. >> i want to talk about protest songs. my favorites.
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>> which did more for drivers than they brought the importance of getting to work on time to the forefront. i'll start with you, dana. what is your favorite protest song? >> i love this song by toby keith, "red, white and blue" that was written after the 9/11 attacks. ♪ whole wide world is raining down on you ♪ >> it's not really protesting anything america, it's actually promoting america, protesting al qaeda. >> i really was not into protest songs, a lot of times they're protesting things that need to be protested in america. rolling stones came up and they were protesting oppress tiff government. and i thought that's pretty
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cool. >> rolling stoec ing stones, "sr the devil" it's about -- >> you have actually asked him that very question before. >> well, it just mieans, i can' absorb it. >> you love the who. >> i do. >> showing my seniority at the stable, going back to the best proo test song "we shall overcome" which was the theme of the civil rights movement. when they're in black churches, when they sing "we shall overcome" and i remember bill clinton do it and he was perfect. al gore went and did it, and went the wrong way.
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every time someone would go this way he would go that way. my dad got beat up by that song. and if someone had to pick a song, they would say that was the single most important song in their protest. >> the greatest banged of all time, "sunday bloody sunday". >> they're talking about the troubles. >> yeah, troubles in air land. i was living in air land when i was about 11 years old. >> he's in the hospital right now. >> he is, he had surgery in that horrible accident. >> he had elbow surgery. >> he had an orbital fracture, so we hope you're getting better.
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>> probably at some nearby hospital, kimberly. >> you should visit. >> nyu. up next, kimberly takes over for robin leach to show us the lifestyles of the
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welcome to the lifestyles of the rich and famous. the biggest deal for an american athlete in history and there are a lot of questions you could ask him, like how does he plan on spending all that dough. >> you will average 69,0$69,000 day for the next 13 years, is there part of that that is almost embarrassing to you.
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>> embarrassing to me? not exactly. this isn't like a lottery ticket and peace out. it's a huge responsibility and one i'm willing to take. >> i like his answer, he's saying, look, it is a lot of money, i'm going to rise to the occasion, i take it seriously and i want to earn it. >> tough to see how he's going to earn $325 million. >> that's what they said about a-rod. >> he never earned it. >> in fact the big, big contracts have a tendency that the players don't really meet the expectations. this guy's contract, god bless his agent, because if he gets hurt, he still gets the 325, if he doesn't perform, he still t gets the 325. >> his contract is pretty much
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front loaded is what we say in sports law as opposed to the back end. it wouldn't necessarily be cash out of the pocket. >> this guy single handedly took a miserablerablmiserable -- the of years t guy's still on fire, and let's see, could he perform at that level? of course not. >> now you got anything for me? >> are you kidding? >> nothing about sports or big money. anything? come on. >> yes, the worst question you can ever ask anybody is do you need that? that is none of your business what i need. it doesn't matter if i have one home or two homes or three cars. it is not up to you to tell me what i need. this is america. that question is the first step to confiscation, the next step to redistribution and then
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finally fascism, the people who take your stuff begin with doyo? ironically the people who ask if you need that, will be the ones that take it. the communists are the ones that end up taking everything. >> where did they get that idea? interesting. how about a house? anybody need a house? i could use a house. this one in beverly hills is on the market for $195 million. no, i didn't say every house on that block combined, one house. take a look. >> that's the palace of love, that's what it's called. >> it's on for how much? >> we're asking $195 million for the house. >> you're looking at the most expensive house on the market in america. 53,000 square feet of living space, 12 bedrooms, 23 bathrooms, 25 acres, in, yes, in beverly hills. the reflection pool, an infinity pool, a bowling ally, a movie
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theater and a turkish bath off the master bedroom. >> turkish bath? great, but you're still going to die. by the time you have that house, you're going to be dead. it doesn't matter, you don't need it. i just said you're not supposed to say that. it's beautiful. it's bhueautiful. >> what do you think about that house, bob? i would live in that house with you because i would never see you. >> do you think i want your boyfriends and my girlfriends we could get into that house? look at the bathrooms. >> never mind. >> no, look, $195 million, whoever can pay that, more power to them, i guess. that sounds like putin ought to go and -- >> seiit's going to be a russia yeah. >> i wonder if al gore is offended by this, because the green house gas emissions are
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probably horrendous. >> it's probably a million a month. >> al gore, he could probably afford it, dana, i think. >> the question is, so a billionaire owns this, and he's selling it for $195 million. this is the thing that drives me crazy. -- they'll make $30 million like it's nothing, amgnd it's like water to them. >> the only one who could afford that would be you, what is the most expensive apartment in new york? do you know in. >> it's 80 or $90 million. >>o riley's place, are you ever been there? it's amazing, the view is incredible. all right coming up, does china have the power to turn out the lights in america? a scary new warn about a threat
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. i have warned about the threat of china for a long, long time. now the nsa director is confirming my fears. admiral michael rogers told
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congress yesterday the chinese an possibly two other countries have the ability to flip the switch on our power grid through a cyber attack. >> there shouldn't be any doubt in our minds that there are nation groups hathat have the ability to do that, to shut down, forestall our ability to operate our basic infrastructure. >> here's the thing that deprives me crazy. i've been warning you about it. the only way you can do that is you have to know how the power grids work, you have to know how the computers works, and what happens? we bring these kids in here, they learn how to do -- before they go back home and hack, they go and hack into our power grids. this is a very dangerous thing. this is the why the chinese by far are the single most dangerous country this country has ever faced. >> there are two kinds of hacking going on in this world, the hacking of our commuters and the hacking of our heads.
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i put isis before china because they are actually decapitating people. >> in the long run, in terms of the most dangerous threat to this country. >> isis was -- >> i mean if they have the ability to turn off the power, can you imagine what that would do? >> i don't think this is just a chinese problem, this could happen in russia, in pakistani, or some lone wolf hacker guy in seattle. this is not particular to any win nation. >> i'm not so sure that -- it's fairly complicated. i'm not sure a hacker in seattle could get away with shutting down a grid that covers the whole west coast. >> let's not challenge them. >> let's not challenge them. but what would the economic implications of a grid shut down say on the east coast. >> we have been extremely vulnerable. our grid is very vulnerable and the problem with our grid, the way it works, it's called daisy chain. if you have power generated
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here, and needed there they sell the power do you know twn the r shut down one of his grids, the whole thing shuts down. i agree with dana, i believe there's hackers from all countries trying to get in there. that would be a major impact. >> and the nsa director said we also need an international code of laws to govern this type of cyber warfare, because if somebody is doing this, it should be considered an act of war. >> i hate to say this, but i bet our president did not raise this when he was wearing that lovely thong -- not thong --- >> thong? sarong. >> when he was over there in china, who would wear those ridiculous clothes anyway. >> maybe he was wearing the
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all right, time for one more thing. i'm going to kick it off. it's friday, so therefor time it's for -- all right, so last night we told you we had twitter bomb brian williams on the nbc "nightly news" fwiter feed and asked him to show us some john gruber. so last night instead of doing
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that, they talked about snow, they talked about air bags, they talked about kate and prince william, but they still didn't talk about gruber. here's what they talked about. >> the uk will use a mistletoe drone to encourage kissing as it flies mooning the tables. what could go wrong? >> what could go wrong? brian williams, nbc "nightly news," no gruber. all right, greg, you're up. >> all right, i'm going to be on the o'reilly factor later on tonight with my good friend and squash partner, bernie mcgirk. robert dobbie, one of the more famous bond villains, in connecticut, fox woods casino,
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the paramount in long island. he's worth checking out, he's a great performer, and he has a great policy. >> and he does a fantastic sinatra. da dana? >> check out this initialism, that's a nod to tv's andy levy, is today in tgtwof. it's not tgif. what it stands for is thank god they'll work on fridays. that's senator mitch mcconnell, the new majority leader, he is going to make the senate work on fridays, they haven't had to do that under democrat harry reid. a poll taken in august found that 76% of americans thought they worked harder than the senate. >> i have had a lot of football
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coaches in my life that have been fay fairly excitable peopl. i want you to watch this assistant coach at duke. watch what he does. >> he's so mad. >> the gooir -- look. >> i have seen guys yell, hit guys on top of the head. but not this. this is the pregame, this isn't after you have lost by a whole lot. this was before the game. and he goes on and on and on. the time punch line is they lost. 45-20. >> oh, they didn't show us that tape. okay. i want to say congratulations to our colleague here at the fox news channel. jonathan hunt became a u.s. citizen today, there he is with his wife, chelsey edward hunt, we're happy to have you as a
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citizen. well done, my friend. >> he's a great man. all right, everyone, have a fantastic weekend, that's it fo. have a great weekend. tonight -- >> i know some of the critics of this action call it amnesty. well, it's not. >> why should americans trust the man who promised this. >> if you like your private health insurance plan, you can keep your plan. period. >> even jay carney cannot spin this one. >> the notion that i can just suspend deportations through executive order, that's just not the case. >> that is literally what he's doing today. >> geraldo rivera, allen west and charles krauthammer respond to emperor obama. plus, the very latest on new ferguson unrest. >>at

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